After Kim Kardashian published three minutes of a call between Taylor Swift and Kanye West in 2016, Swift was quickly painted as a liar, causing her to retreat from the public eye after the resulting backlash.
Swift had said that she was never told about the “I made that b—ch famous,” line in Kanye’s “Famous” song and the heavily edited video that Kim posted was meant to disprove that Swift was unaware of it.
However, a recently leaked transcript, shown below, reveals that Taylor Swift was not only unaware of the “b—ch” line, but she made it very clear that she wouldn’t be okay with being called the B-word in a song.
The leaked call also touches on another “famous” feud between Taylor Swift and Kanye West, when he interrupted her during the 2009 Video Music Awards after she won Best Female Video. He protested her win, believing that Beyoncé should have gone home with the prize instead.
This understandably hurt Swift, who later said she just wanted a little respect. “When someone doesn’t respect you so loudly and says you literally don’t deserve to be here–I just so badly wanted that respect from him.”
The pair appeared to become more friendly over time, until the 2015 VMAs, when Swift was slated to present Kanye with the 2015 Vanguard award. Swift says that Kanye called and suggested that she present the award, but during the awards show, he told people that MTV asked her to do it in an attempt to boost ratings.
“I realized he is so two-faced,” said Swift about Kanye. But even that incident was eventually thrown under the rug, and Swift and Kanye seemed to set their differences aside when he called her about a possible line that mentioned her in his new “Famous” song.
Unfortunately, although Taylor Swift did appear okay with some of the sensational lines mentioning her name in the song, she said she wouldn’t be okay with being referred to as a b—ch, but Kanye did it anyway.
You can read the transcript of their call here, where they discussed Kanye’s new song on their cellphones:
Kanye West: [says to Taylor Swift] Old school s—, yeah. I’m doing great. I feel so awesome about the music. The album’s coming out February 11, I’m doing the fashion show February 11 at Madison Square Garden, we’re dropping the album February 12th that morning. It’s like…
Taylor Swift: [inaudible]
Kanye West: Oh, thank you so, so much. Yeah. It feels good. It feels like real Ye, Apple, Steve Jobs-type music. So, my next single, I wanted you to tweet it. It’s a good Friday to drop it. It’s a good Friday song. So that’s why I’m calling you, that I wanted you to put the song out.
Taylor Swift: Oh, wow. Like, uhm, what would people… I guess it would just be, people would be like, “Why is this happening?” They would think I had something to do with it, probably.
Kanye West: Well, the reason why it will be happening is because it has a very controversial line at the beginning of the song about you.
Taylor Swift: What does it say?
Kanye West: So it says… and the song is so, so dope. And I’ve literally sat with my wife, with my whole management team, with everything and tried to rework this line. I’ve thought about this line for eight months. I’ve had this line and I’ve tried to rework it every which way.
And the original way that I thought about it is the best way, but it’s the most controversial way. So it’s gonna go Eminem a little bit, so can you brace yourself for a second?
Taylor Swift: Yeah.
Kanye West: Okay. Alright. Wait a second, you sound sad.
Taylor Swift: Well, is it gonna be mean?
Kanye West: No, I don’t think it’s mean.
Taylor Swift: Okay, then, let me hear it.
Kanye West: Okay. It says, uhm,… and the funny thing is, when I first played it and my wife heard it, she was like, “Huh? What? That’s too crazy,” blah, blah, blah. And then, like when Ninja from Die Antwoord heard it, he was like, “Oh my God, this is the craziest s—.
This is why I love Kanye,” blah, blah, blah, that kind of thing. And now it’s like my wife’s favorite f—ing line. I just wanted to give you some premise of that. Right?
Taylor Swift: Okay.
Kanye West: So it says, “To all my Southside [n-word] that know me best, I feel like Taylor Swift might owe me s-x.”
Taylor Swift: [laughs] That’s not mean.
Kanye West: Okay. Well, this is the thing where I’m calling you, because you’ve got an army. You own a country of mother—ing two billion people, basically, that if you felt that it’s funny and cool and like hip-hop, and felt like just “The College Dropout” and the artist like Ye that you love, then I think that people would be like way into it.
And that’s why I think it’s super-genius to have you be the one that says, “Oh, I like this song a lot. Like, yeah, whatever, this is cool, whatever.” It’s like, I got like s— on my album where I’m like, “I bet me and Ray J would be friends, if we ain’t love the same b—ch.”
Taylor Swift: Oh my God! I mean, I need to think about it, because you know, when you hear something for the first time, you just need to think about it. Because it is absolutely crazy. I’m glad it’s not mean, though.
It doesn’t feel mean. But oh my God, the buildup you gave it, I thought it was going to be like, “That stupid, dumb b—ch.” But it’s not.
So I don’t know. I mean, the launch thing, I think it would be kind of confusing to people. But I definitely like… I definitely think that when I’m asked about it, of course, I’ll be like, “Yeah, I love that. I think it’s hilarious.” But uhm, I need to think about it.
Kanye West: You don’t have to do the launching and tweet. That was just an extra idea I had. But if you think that that’s cool, then it’s cool. If not… I mean, we are launching the s— like on just Good Fridays on SoundCloud, on the site, s— like that.
Taylor Swift: You know, the thing about me is, anything that I do becomes like a feminist think-piece. And if I launch it, they’re going to be like, wow, like, they’ll just turn into something that… I think if I launch it, honestly, I think it’ll be less cool. Because I think if I launch it, it adds this level of criticism.
Because having that many followers and having that many eyeballs on me right now, people are just looking for me to do something dumb or stupid or lame. And I don’t know. I kind of feel like people would try to make it negative if it came from me, do you know what I mean?
I think I’m very self-aware about where I am, and I feel like right now I’m like this close to overexposure.
Kanye West: Oh. Well, this one, I think this is a really cool thing to have.
Taylor Swift: I know, I mean, it’s like a compliment, kind of.
Kanye West: I have this line where I said… And my wife really didn’t like this one, because we tried to make it nicer. So I say, “For all my Southside [n-word] that know me best, I feel like me and Taylor might still have s-x.”
And my wife was really not with that one. She was way more into the “She owes you s-x.” But then the “owe” part was like the feminist group-type shit that I was like, ahhh.
Taylor Swift: That’s the part that I was kind of… I mean, they ‘re both really edgy, but that’s the only thing about that line is that it’s like, then the feminists are going to come out. But I mean, you don’t give a f—. So…
Kanye West: Yeah, basically. Well, what I give a f— about is just you as a person, as a friend….
Taylor Swift: That’s sweet.
Kanye West: I want things that make you feel good. I don’t want to do rap that makes people feel bad. Like of course, like I’m mad at Nike, so people think, “Oh, he’s a bully. He ran on stage with Taylor. He’s bullying Nike now,” this $50 billion company.
Taylor Swift: Why are people saying you’re bullying Nike?
Kanye West: Because on “Facts,” like, I say, “Yeezy, Yeezy, Yeezy, they line up for days / Nike out here bad, they can’t give s— away.”
Taylor Swift: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that’s just what you do, though. I mean, I wouldn’t say that it’s possible to bully a company like Nike. But I mean… uhm, yeah, I mean, go with whatever line you think is better. It’s obviously very tongue-in-cheek either way. And I really appreciate you telling me about it. That’s really nice.
Kanye West: Oh, yeah. I just had a responsibility to you as a friend. I mean, thanks for being like so cool about it.
Taylor Swift: Thanks. Yeah, I really appreciate it. The heads up is so nice. You’d be surprised how many people just do things without even asking or seeing if I’d be okay with it, and I just really appreciate it. I never would have expected you to tell me about a line in one of your songs. That’s really nice that you did.
Kanye West: You mean like unexpected s— like you taking the time to give someone a really, really valuable award and then they completely run for president right afterwards? Like unexpected in that kind of way?
Taylor Swift: We have not talked about what happened.
Kanye West: I just thought that was wavy. It was vibey. The funny thing is, I thought about the weed and the president, both of those things I thought about in the shower the day before and just started laughing like crazy. I was like, I gotta say that I had just smoked some weed and then say I’m gonna run for president…
So those are my basis of… I knew I wanted to say the thing about going to like the Dodgers game with my daughter and like getting booed and that being scary, and I knew I wanted to say like me changing and thinking about people more since I had a daughter.
And then I wanted to say the weed thing. Then I wanted to say the president thing. And everything else was just like off the cuff.
Taylor Swift: Oh my God. It was definitely like it stole the show… And then the flowers that you sent me. I Instagrammed a picture of them and it’s the most Instagram likes I’ve ever gotten. It was like 2.7 million likes on that picture of the flowers you sent me. Crazy.
Kanye West: It’s some connection or something that I think is really important about that moment when we met on stage. There’s something that I think is really important about that, and where humanity is going, or now where me and Kim are, and having a family and just everything, the way things are landing.
So it’s always… Relationships are more important than punchlines, you know.
Taylor Swift: Yeah, I mean, I don’t think anybody would listen to that and be like, “Oh, that’s a real diss” — like, “She must be crying about that line.” And I think because of how crazy and strange and fateful the way we met was, I think we have to pick our moments to do stuff together and make sure it’s only really cool stuff.
Kanye West: Yeah, exactly. We can’t have it like be somebody else’s idea that gets in front and they’re like… Because if you’re like a really true, creative, visceral, vibey type person, it’s probably hard for you to work at a corporation. So how can you give a creative creative ideas and you’re working in a house of non-creativity?
It’s like this weird… So whenever we talk directly… Okay, now what if later in the song I was also to have said, uh… “I made her famous”? Is that a…
Taylor Swift: Did you say that?
Kanye West: Yes, it might’ve happened.
Taylor Swift: Well, what am I going to do about it?
Kanye West: Uh, like, do the hair flip?
Taylor Swift: Yeah. I mean… Uhm… It’s just kind of like, whatever, at this point. But I mean, you’ve got to tell the story the way that it happened to you and the way that you’ve experienced it. Like, you honestly didn’t know who I was before that.
Like, it doesn’t matter if I sold 7 million of that album before you did that, which is what happened. You didn’t know who I was before that. It’s fine. But, uhm, yeah. I can’t wait to hear it.
Kanye West: I mean, it’s fun. It’s definitely… You’re ready to trend. That’s all I can say.
Taylor Swift: Uh, what’s the song called?
Kanye West: Uh, it might be called “Hood Famous.”
Taylor Swift: Oh, cool. Is it going to be like a single-single, or is it going to be a SoundCloud release? What are you doing?
Kanye West: Oh, this one right here is like f—ing Song of the Year-type territory.
Taylor Swift: Oh my God. Amazing. That’s crazy. Oh my God. Speaking of Song of the Year, are you going to the Grammys?
Kanye West: Uh, you know what? I was thinking to not do it. But I think that this song… You know what? I’m going to send you the song and send you the exact wording and everything about it, right? And then we could sit and talk through it. But if the song goes and f—ing just…
Taylor Swift: Yeah. I mean, they’re amazing ideas and amazing concepts, and I definitely would love to talk to you more about it. I know you have to do something right now, but I love that that’s where you’re headed.
And it’s been like that. I mean, when we went to dinner, there were the rumblings of those ideas. I like that you’re always thinking outward.
And over the last six, seven, eight years, however long it’s been since that happened, I haven’t always liked you, but I’ve always respected you. And I think that’s what you’re saying when you say like, you know, “I might be in debt, but I can make these things happen, and I have the ideas to do it, and I can create these things or these concepts.”
Like, I’m always going to respect you. And I’m really glad that you had the respect to call me and tell me that as a friend about the song, and it’s a really cool thing to do, and a really good show of friendship. So thank you.
Kanye West: Oh, thank you too.
Taylor Swift: And you know, if people ask me about it, look, I think it would be great for me to be like, “Look, he called me and told me the line before it came out. Like, the joke’s on you guys – we’re fine.”
Kanye West: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think that’s pretty much the switch right there.
Taylor Swift: Yeah. Like, you guys want to call this a feud, you want to call this throwing shade, but you know, right after the song comes out, I’m gonna be on a Grammy red carpet, and they’re gonna ask me about it and I’ll be like, “He called me and sent me the song before it came out.” So I think we’re good.
Kanye West: Okay. I’m gonna go lay this verse, and I’m gonna send it to you right now.
Taylor Swift: Oh, you just… you haven’t recorded it yet?
Kanye West: I recorded it. I’m nuancing the lines — like the last version of it says, “Me and Taylor might still have s-x.” And then my wife was like, ”That doesn’t sound as hard!”
Taylor Swift: Well, I mean, she’s saying that honestly because she’s your wife, and like, uhm… So I think whatever one you think is actually better. I mean, obviously do what’s best for your relationship, too. I think “owes me s-x,” it says different things.
It says… “Owes me s-x” means like “Look, I made her what she is. She actually owes me.” Which is going to split people, because people who like me are going to be like, “She doesn’t owe him s—.”
But then people who like, thought it was bad-ass and crazy and awesome that you’re so outspoken are going to be like, “Yeah, she does. It made her famous.” So it’s more provocative to say, “still have s-x,” because no one would see that coming. They’re both crazy.
Do what you want. They’re both going to get every single headline in the world. “Owes me s-x” is a little bit more like throwing shade, and the other one’s more flirtatious. It just depends on what you want to accomplish with it.
Kanye West: Yeah, I feel like with my wife, that she probably didn’t like the “might still have s-x” because it would be like, what if she was on a TV show and said “Me and Tom Brady might still have s-x” or something?
Taylor Swift: You have to protect your relationship. Do what’s best. You just had a kid. You’re in the best place of your life. I wouldn’t ever advise you to f— with that. Just pick whatever… It’s cause and effect. One is gonna make people feel a certain way, and it’s gonna be a slightly different emotion for the other.
But it’s not… It doesn’t matter to me. There’s not one that hurts my feelings and the other doesn’t.
Kanye West: Yeah. It’s just, when I’m pointing this gun, what I tried to do differently than two years ago, is like when I shoot a gun, I try to point it away from my face. So one is a little bit more flirtatious and easier… I think, so really, that means the conversation is really:
One is like a little bit better for the public and a little bit less good for the relationship. One is a little bit worse for the public and better for the relationship.
Taylor Swift: Yeah. I can hear it. But it’s your goals, really. I mean, you always just go with your gut — obviously. But, uhm, amazing. Send it to me. I’m excited.
Kanye West: All right, cool. Thanks so much.
Taylor Swift: Awesome. I’ll talk to you later.
Kanye West: All right, cool. Peace. Bye.
Kanye West: [says to cameraman] We had to get that on the record.